Judy Meltzer
Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment
Opening remarks
I'm Judy Meltzer, an associate ADM at Environment and Climate Change Canada.
Meeting 40 · May 28, 2026 · 11:01–13:12 (2h 11m)
45-17 witnesses · 291 interventions · 16,076 words
The House of Commons Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development met to study the 2026-27 main estimates for Environment and Climate Change Canada and its portfolio agencies. Appearing were Minister Julie Dabrusin, along with officials Judy Meltzer, Mollie Johnson, Terence Hubbard, Kurt Chin Quee, Andrew Campbell, Mark Fisher, and Tara Shannon.
Minister Dabrusin stated that the main estimates reflect a disciplined fiscal framework while continuing climate action, nature protection, and regulatory efficiency. She highlighted the 2030 nature strategy, methane regulations, the national electricity strategy, and the oil-to-heat pump program as key initiatives, and noted that the department's main estimates total about $1.71 billion, a decrease largely due to sunsetting programs that will appear in supplementary estimates.
Judy Meltzer, Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, spoke about the enhanced methane regulations for oil and gas and landfills, describing them as world-leading and a key part of Canada's climate strategy. She noted that these regulations provide flexibility and pull forward Canadian technologies for methane abatement.
Mollie Johnson, Deputy Minister, addressed questions on the government's climate trajectory, stating that the department provides ongoing analysis and that the 2025 progress report and 2026 national inventory report show progress toward 2050 objectives. She noted that the department is working on comprehensive modelling of recent policy decisions and that adaptation funding decreases are due to sunsetting programs that may be renewed through regular federal processes.
Terence Hubbard, President of the Impact Assessment Agency, explained that proposed regulatory changes aim to make project reviews more efficient without cutting environmental obligations. He stated that environmental assessments for pipelines would be done by the Canada Energy Regulator under proposed changes, and that the government would consult with Indigenous peoples before any pre-approval decisions under Bill C-5.
Kurt Chin Quee, Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, confirmed that the department would provide the committee with final expenses for the COP30 Canada pavilion, which were still being reconciled. He did not have details on whether costs would exceed $1.1 million.
Andrew Campbell, Interim President of Parks Canada, discussed the national marine conservation area reserve agreement in British Columbia, noting that the underlying agreement was between six First Nations first, with federal and provincial law added on top. He committed to following up on specific questions about ATV access, deadwood removal, road access, and seasonal opening dates in Gros Morne National Park.
Mark Fisher, President of the Canada Water Agency, stated that the agency is developing Canada's first national water security strategy, which will address floods, droughts, and groundwater issues. He noted that the agency is working with provinces, territories, and Indigenous partners, and that the freshwater action plan is funding restoration work in areas of concern like the Bay of Quinte.
Tara Shannon, Assistant Deputy Minister for the Canadian Wildlife Service, explained that a proposed exemption from the Species at Risk Act jeopardy test would allow a permit in exceptional circumstances where mitigation is not possible, noting that such a situation has never occurred.
A motion by Conservative MP Branden Leslie to request a letter sent by 14 Liberal MPs to the Prime Minister about environmental policy direction was moved but debate was adjourned on a Liberal motion. The committee then continued its questioning, with officials providing additional details on the national water security strategy, Canada's international climate leadership, and the breakdown of budgetary reductions under the clean growth and climate change purpose.
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Judy Meltzer
Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment
Opening remarks
I'm Judy Meltzer, an associate ADM at Environment and Climate Change Canada.
Mollie Johnson
Deputy Minister, Department of the Environment
Opening remarks
We are happy to get back to you with the details on each of these elements.
Terence Hubbard
President, Impact Assessment Agency of Canada
Opening remarks
For those projects designated under Bill C-5, it would be the minister responsible for one Canadian economy who would issue those decision statements.
Kurt Chin Quee
Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Department of the Environment
Opening remarks
I apologize. I don't have those details. We'll have to confirm them with you.
Andrew Campbell
Interim President and Chief Executive Officer, Parks Canada Agency
Opening remarks
That's a very specific question, Madam Chair. We will certainly get back to you with the response to that. The last time that I was talking to the superintendent about this item, we were also looking for the provincial ministry of transport to weigh in about ATV use on the road.
Mark Fisher
President, Canada Water Agency
Opening remarks
Through you, Madam Chair, thank you for the question. It's a good one. It is true that many Canadians look at Canada as a water-abundant country, but there is a different story. Of the fresh water that we do have that's available, 60% flows north, away from 80% of the population. As you indicated, there are certainly regional differences in terms of water availability and water quality. Front and centre in the Canada Water Agency's work is working with provinces and territories, indigenous partners and local groups to restore and protect nationally and regionally significant freshwater ecosystems. Through our policy work, we're also working on and committed to developing Canada's first national water security strategy. This will really allow us to look at those more variable and uncertain futures and make sure that the federal government, as well as many partners, has an eye on that future and how we put the right policies and programs in place to make sure—to your point—that we have sufficient water available where we need it and of the quality that we need to service a variety of ecological and socio-economic needs.
Tara Shannon
Assistant Deputy Minister, Canadian Wildlife Service, Department of the Environment
Opening remarks
The jeopardy test requires a scientific assessment on whether you can fully mitigate the impacts on a species—its recovery or its survival. There are two tests under SARA. I could provide you with more detail, but I won't, because I know you have limited time. It is essentially a valve whereby, if you can't meet the jeopardy test after pursuing a number of these—you follow the mitigation hierarchy, you avoid, you mitigate, you take all measures—it would allow, in an exceptional circumstance, the potential for a permit. Again, it's a theoretical situation. We've never seen that.