Aaron Cosbey
Chair, Commission on Carbon Competitiveness
Opening remarks
I do. Thanks.
Meeting 7 · October 9, 2025 · 11:01–13:03 (2h 2m)
45-19 witnesses · 207 interventions · 13,578 words
The House of Commons Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development met to study greenhouse gas emissions reduction targets and Canada's progress toward them. Witnesses included Aaron Cosbey from the Commission on Carbon Competitiveness, Jerry V. DeMarco and Kimberley Leach from the Office of the Auditor General, Darren Christie, Jonathan Timlin, and Sean Maher from the Canadian Energy Regulator, and Dawn Farrell, Jeff Labonté, and Sarah Jackson from the Major Projects Office.
Jerry V. DeMarco stated that Canada has never met a greenhouse gas emissions target and is not on track to meet its 2030 commitment, with current projections showing a gap that has widened since the consumer carbon price was repealed. He said that being "on track" requires a plan with concrete measures that add up to the target, reliable modelling of expected reductions, and effective implementation resulting in significant year-over-year decreases. He noted that many experts agree a policy package with regulations and carbon pricing can support deep reductions if stringent enough and applied widely, and that the federal government has regulatory tools to lead even without provincial consensus.
Aaron Cosbey argued that industrial carbon pricing systems in Canada are in crisis and need serious fixing, with sectoral performance standards needing to be tightened and better tailored to different sectors. He said that in the long run, output-based pricing will struggle to protect against carbon leakage, so Canada must begin exploring mechanisms like border carbon adjustment, similar to the European Union's CBAM. He emphasized that an industrial carbon price is necessary but not sufficient, and must be supported by sector-specific enabling policies and a game-changing industrial strategy that chooses a small number of sectors to push hard on.
Darren Christie, Jonathan Timlin, and Sean Maher explained that the Canada Energy Regulator does not set climate policy but provides energy information and analysis, including scenarios looking out to 2050 that show increasing electrification, growth in renewables, and decarbonization of the electricity grid. They noted that the CER's commission considers a project's contribution to or hindrance of Canada's climate commitments when assessing whether it is in the public interest, and may impose legally binding conditions to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
Dawn Farrell stated that the Major Projects Office aims to advance large-scale projects of national significance by strengthening the regulatory framework and ensuring financing, with a goal of bringing projects to execution within two years. She said that five projects and six transformative strategies have been referred to the office, including LNG phase two, critical minerals, nuclear, and high-speed rail, and that the office evaluates projects based on criteria including economic benefits, indigenous interests, and contributions to clean growth. Jeff Labonté added that the Building Canada Act allows for streamlined approvals but does not provide automatic exemptions from other legislation, such as the Oil Tanker Moratorium Act, and that the office's work on LNG phase two involves assessing remaining hurdles for a final investment decision, not additional environmental assessments.
The committee heard procedural debate about interpretation quality and the pace of questioning, and members requested that witnesses table documents including a summary of Ms. Farrell's climate assessment experience, details of projects submitted to the Major Projects Office, and the office's lobbying meeting records and financing guidelines.
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Aaron Cosbey
Chair, Commission on Carbon Competitiveness
Opening remarks
I do. Thanks.
Jerry V. DeMarco
Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development, Office of the Auditor General
Opening remarks
Mr. Chair, we're happy to appear before your committee this morning. I would like to acknowledge that this hearing is taking place on the traditional unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe people. With me today are Kimberley Leach and Elsa DaCosta, the principal and the director who have conducted much of the audit work on climate change that we have undertaken in recent years. Since 1990, Canada has set out many plans, measures and targets to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but no target has been met. According to Environment and Climate Change Canada, national emissions in 2023 were 694 megatonnes. This is 8.5% lower than in 2005 but 14% higher than in 1990. According to the department's most recent projections, Canada will not deliver on its commitment to reduce emissions by 40% to 45% below 2005 levels by 2030. In addition, these projections have not been updated since the government repealed the consumer carbon price. While Canada's overall emissions have increased since 1990, some sectors have achieved reductions, with the electricity sector leading the pack. With only five years left to meet the 2030 target, a significant shift toward implementing effective…
Kimberley Leach
Principal, Office of the Auditor General
Opening remarks
Yes, it is something that we have recommended—that they more transparently report the uncertainty bars, the barriers. It's been a recommendation that we have made, yes.
Darren Christie
Chief Economist, Canadian Energy Regulator
Opening remarks
Good morning, Mr. Chair. We're having a technical issue where John Timlin is showing as an attendee rather than a speaker. He's run up to my office. I will hand him my headset. The name tag will be incorrect, I suspect, but I will hand it over to him now if that works.
Dawn Farrell
Chief Executive Officer, Major Projects Office
Opening remarks
Yes, I can start, if you'd like.
Jonathan Timlin
Vice President, System Operations, Canadian Energy Regulator
Opening remarks
Good morning. Can you hear me?
Jeff Labonté
Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Natural Resources
Opening remarks
The act provides the ability for a project, should it be deemed in the national interest, to have a series of conditions. Those conditions can spell out the regulatory requirements. There has to be a project, and there has to be a proposal. It has to be something that's deemed in the national interest, evaluated and then presented to the order in council.
Sarah Jackson
Director, Major Projects Office
Opening remarks
The Building Canada Act applies to authorizations that are listed in schedule 2 of that act.
Sean Maher
Professional Leader, Environment, Canadian Energy Regulator
Opening remarks
Thank you. I'm happy to answer the question. The CER doesn't really have a policy role. We don't advise on policy. As Mr. Timlin was saying, that would really be best placed with our colleagues at Environment and Climate Change Canada.