Bill Matthews
Secretary of the Treasury Board of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat
Opening remarks
The money has indeed been brought back in. It's been invested, but there have been no decisions taken yet in terms of how that money will be spent.
Meeting 27 · February 12, 2026 · 10:59–12:19 (1h 20m)
45-12 witnesses · 150 interventions · 8,523 words
The House of Commons Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates (OGGO) met on February 12, 2026, to study Divisions 5 to 7 of Bill C-15, the budget implementation act. Appearing were Treasury Board President Shafqat Ali, along with officials Bill Matthews, Secretary of the Treasury Board, and Michael DeJong, Assistant Secretary for Regulatory Affairs.
Bill Matthews clarified that the $900 million surplus removed from the public service pension fund in December was brought into the Consolidated Revenue Fund, but no decisions have been made on how to spend it. He explained that the early retirement incentive, if approved, would be funded from the pension plan itself, not from the removed surplus. On the comprehensive expenditure review, Matthews stated that savings will be removed from departments' estimates and visible to the committee, but cautioned that simultaneous government investments in areas like National Defence mean overall spending projections for those departments may not decrease, as the exercise is about reallocation.
Michael DeJong defended regulatory sandboxes, providing examples such as Transport Canada's 2020 sandbox testing e-shipping documents for dangerous goods, which led to regulatory amendments aligned with international standards. He emphasized that sandboxes require narrow exemptions, a public interest determination involving cost-benefit analysis and risk mitigation, and strict transparency measures including publication in forward regulatory plans and annual reports to Parliament. He noted that conflict of interest rules still apply and that the independence of bodies like the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission cannot be overridden by sandbox provisions.
President Ali stated that the government plans to reduce the public service by 16,000 full-time equivalent positions over three years, with a voluntary early retirement incentive and a permanent "25 and out" early retirement program for frontline officers such as firefighters and CBSA personnel. He argued that regulatory sandboxes, already used by Transport Canada and Health Canada since 2019, allow for safe testing of innovations before permanent rule changes, and that their expansion across government would follow a rigorous, transparent process with safeguards for health, safety and the environment. He disagreed with suggestions that the comprehensive expenditure review savings would not be realized, asserting confidence in the proposals received from 102 organizations.
Marie-Hélène Gaudreau expressed serious concerns about regulatory sandboxes, questioning the lack of clear criteria for "public interest," the potential for conflicts of interest and insufficient transparency, and stated she could not support the measure without more reassurance. Kelly Block argued that the sandbox provisions grant ministers the ability to pick winners and losers, and questioned why laws are not simply repealed if they hinder innovation. Tamara Jansen contended that sandboxes do not simplify forms, shorten approval times or reduce reporting requirements for small businesses, and are only beneficial for large corporations. Jeremy Patzer noted that only one sandbox had been used in six years, questioning the necessity of expanding the power.
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Bill Matthews
Secretary of the Treasury Board of Canada, Treasury Board Secretariat
Opening remarks
The money has indeed been brought back in. It's been invested, but there have been no decisions taken yet in terms of how that money will be spent.
Michael DeJong
Assistant Secretary, Regulatory Affairs, Treasury Board Secretariat
Opening remarks
Perhaps I could give an example of a regulatory sandbox involving clean technology. In July 2025, the Department of Transport launched a regulatory sandbox to test what the safety requirements would be for battery-powered and hydrogen-powered locomotives. Currently, the rules around train safety are specifically geared toward diesel-powered locomotives. This sandbox became particularly relevant as Canada's railways moved toward decarbonizing their fleets. Before the sandbox was ever launched, Transport Canada commissioned a number of risk assessments to identify where the potential risks were and how to mitigate them. Then it established a series of strict safeguards, including things like ensuring that there would be proper crew training, oversight and inspections. The results of that sandbox would then be used to inform the evolution of the rail safety rules to support the introduction of low-emission clean technology.
Michelle LegaultCommittee staff
Legislative Clerk
Opening remarks
Thank you, Mr. McCauley. As is the case with any legislation, any member is able to submit an amendment directly to the finance committee. If you would like to do that, I believe Marc-Olivier has circulated Isabelle D'Souza's information. She's the legislative counsel who's assigned to Bill C-15. You can reach out to her directly with your drafting instructions. There is a template available on Source under “Quick Help” in the “Drafting Amendments” section. Otherwise, we can have that sent to you through Marc-Olivier. The template will help you structure your drafting instructions to send to Isabelle. Once Isabelle has your amendments, she will send them back to you. Then it is your responsibility to send them directly to the finance committee for them to be considered officially submitted. Send them to fina@parl.gc.ca. Once they're submitted to the finance committee—again, any member can submit—you need to be either a member of the finance committee or substituted on the committee in order to move them. Then it will be up to you, within your caucuses, to organize whether you will be present yourself and substituted to move them during the committee or whether you'll arrange…
Ryan van den BergCommittee staff
Committee Researcher
Opening remarks
That's my understanding as well. Any recommendations put forward by this committee will supplement any discussions had at FINA and will help you, as members, determine what you want to move as legislative amendments. However, they are considered separate.